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Poster: jerlouvis Date: May 23, 2014 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Those last 4 'Death Don't Have No Mercy''s .

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 24, 2014 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Those last 4 'Death Don't Have No Mercy''s .

Well ...yes, ok, no shit, no fair , the real deal ! But the revival of the song was a nice touch, and they were closer to the glory days than say, the jam-less HC Sunshine , for instance . I like spreading my listening out among the eras, but going from that 5/7/72 Bickershaw show to the 4/2/90 one was a bit jarring . The Other One, and Good Lovin' comparison in not a something someone would want to do when trying to sell shows from 1990 etc. I don't really think this is such a hot show for that "Spring 90" tour, to be fair . LL Rain, and their cover of The Last Time, make me frown when I see them in a setlist, and they are both in the pre-drums segment ! There are some nice touches here and there, Foolish Heart, The Weight, and the Other One is not bad for the era . I guess you have to adjust you expectations, and kind of get into it .I do wonder how much I would listen to 80's and 90's Dead if I hadn't seen them so much in those years, and have a nostalgic feel for that time .

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: May 24, 2014 1:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Those last 4 'Death Don't Have No Mercy''s .

I thought putting a version from when the band was good was an interesting juxtaposition.With all the interesting music that they could choose to play I can't say I would get very excited about a simple blues tune they didn't play that well in their heyday.Never mind the fact that they butchered it from the jump (10/9 version) and had doobie boy sing a verse.Now Attics of My Life was wonderful choice regardless of how it came off.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 24, 2014 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Those last 4 'Death Don't Have No Mercy''s .

So your list of favorite versions of "Never Trust a Woman" is real short ...

"a simple blues tune they didn't play that well in their heyday".
That is interesting . Do you mean Jerry voice ? The band ?
Bloomfield was critical of their blues playing, and other blues purists no doubt felt/feel that way . Most rock bands of the day took a stab at the blues, and some were better than others . For me, totally subjective, the Allman Brothers were good at rock blues, Led Zep. were not (BIG exception being "When the Levee Breaks") , I don't feel Plant is a blues singer, but that is me .
Everyone could cook up a list if they wanted .
But if like a particular band, you can go with it,which is the case for me of many of the Dead's covers, for me .

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: May 25, 2014 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Those last 4 'Death Don't Have No Mercy''s .

Indeed a list of things Brent did that I enjoyed is very short DD.I had a good laugh after your favorite versions line.

I should say upfront that I am not a big blues fan.Of course I understand it's importance and place as far as it's influence on all that came after it.

As for the Dead's ability to play the blues (pre-hiatus) I find they lack the subtlety and discipline to play the music well.I think you could question Garcia's vocal abilities in any genre,but I find him truly lacking on a blues tune.

Rock bands playing the blues is just that.None of them were even close to the real deal,some were good at "blues rock".

In hindsight the cover material the band chose throughout their career is pretty lame.Understanding the depths of their abilities and musical tastes if you look over the catalog of covers it is unimpressive in it's range and number of songs they actually covered.Considering how many shows they played and how many original songs they had the audience would have been better served by a lot more rehearsed and varied covers.Unless you can make a case for more versions of Around + Around or Don't Ease Me In.In the pre-hiatus era the covers situation was less of an issue,if you didn't mind Weir constantly playing the same 3 or 4 country tunes.

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Poster: Skobud Date: May 25, 2014 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: STFU for once in your life.

This post is total horseshit and you have no clue - obviously....You must have the smallest ears out of anybody I've ever had the pleasure of reading on this forum. All of your narcissistic BS always ends with the implication that you know what you are talking about....Hate to break it to ya Jervolucy, but you have no idea WTF you are talking about. Your opinions are so incredibly obtuse you can only hear what you want to hear - nothing else.

This LIA wannabe thing you do is so old man. ......I think the most ridiculous(or most awesome statement depending on how you look at it) is this gem right here:


"In hindsight the cover material the band chose throughout their career is pretty lame.Understanding the depths of their abilities and musical tastes if you look over the catalog of covers it is unimpressive in it's range and number of songs they actually covered."

Yea, Ok smart guy. You're right. Most of the covers they did went on to Bomb. Like these guys for example:

Bob Dylan - total dooshbag.
Reverend Gary Davis - Lame.
Jimmy Reed - Weak.
Johnny Cash - he sucks.
Otis Redding - what a joke
James Brown - gots no soul.
Wilson Pickett - terrible.
Howlin' Wolf - talentless
Buddy Holly - Total idiot.
Bobby Bland - So weak.
Bo Diddley - abhorrent guitar player.
Hank Williams - No feeling at all to his stuff.


You don't always have to act like a self righteous prick trying to prove everyone wrong - that's LIA's job. Just give it a rest and stop hijacking so many goddam threads you dick. It's getting very freakin' old, as usual.

Go outside and mow the lawn or whatever it is that floats your boat. Fuck man, you gotta realize how moronic that post really is. Re-read the fucker.

By the way, the space bar is the long rectangular bar below all the letters on the keyboard. Give it a try sometime.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: May 26, 2014 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: cowboys

re, his other comment: "In the pre-hiatus era the covers situation was less of an issue, if you didn't mind Weir constantly playing the same 3 or 4 country tunes."

Semper-Fi, Sko...

I converted to Cowboy in 1973!

I guess I've been reduced to a pre-hiatus scumbag-terrorist-taping-cowboy-freak... which is my 'badge of honor,' and I'm taking it to my grave... PROUDLY!

https://archive.org/post/1004924/confession-40-years-after-my-first-show-i-realize-they-played-everything-except-bob-wills

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 25, 2014 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Glass Houses

Why the red mercury here Sko? It is not as if the man is coming for your first born- it is just his opinion (and in the end none of ours matter anyway).

Though how we treat each other is a big deal.

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Poster: Skobud Date: May 26, 2014 7:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Glass Houses

It is micah, and I agree. The BS between me an him goes back for years and the fact of the matter is I trolled his post because I can only take so much of his nonsense. In the past few weeks this shit has become too much.

I cannot handle this moron's ignorance - every post is the same. Hijack with a better suggestion. Every post. Check for yerself.



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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 26, 2014 8:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Glass Houses

We all seem to have our portion of folks who get under our skin. I did not know that you and j had bumped heads. Chances are that he will continue to post here and thereby annoy you- so it comes down to whatcha gonna do?

I don't think it is worth it to get too upset with what people post- and if it gets ugly then the community (me ;-) has to see it. There is already enough ass spraying mayhem to go around. Maybe it's better for your head to stop reading certain handles or just letting it go with a wink if you venture forth. (I just don't read certain folks- or rarely- who are my portion.)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 26, 2014 10:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Glass Houses

"This is what love is for, to be at a place, gorgeous and alone, face to face. With no larger problems that need to be erased and nothing more important than to know someone's listening"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I79m7_kAnA

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 26, 2014 10:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Glass Houses

That is such an incredible clip. One of my 1%ers.

One of my fav lines as well.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 27, 2014 6:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Glass Houses

I have to say, I had NO idea what was up; my thought was "WTF? Jerlouvis IS Kochman?"

;)

It's an interesting development that the interaction was both so limited, and so mild (just one dramatic post if you will)...in a way, the place has matured quite a bit, but as well, just filled w some less obsessively attentive types (me, primarily, eh?).

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: May 25, 2014 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STFU for once in your life.

Telling someone who disagrees with your opinion that they have no clue isn't at all narcissistic.

I don't know why you wold want to drag LIA into this since stating an opinion and writing essays on the bands history don't have any thing to do with one another.

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Poster: timewarpwiretap Date: May 25, 2014 7:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STFU for once in your life.

People are strange...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 25, 2014 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STFU for once in your life.

The "Official" video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq9oR9x171w

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 26, 2014 7:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STFU for once in your life.

I might take a page form AR , in that early on there cover choices were mostly well suited to them, they managed to have an original take , or at least be credible . I don't think any of Bob's covers of "Mama Tried' were better sung than Merle Haggard's , but it worked . It's later when their covers showed poor judgement, or not spending enough time to make them "their own" .
But, agin , since I love the band, I can still listen to their "Little Red Rooster" and kind of enjoy it (Jerry's solos ) ,...as long as I put Howling Wolf out my mind ...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 27, 2014 6:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re:Covers

OK. my name is mentioned, so naturally I have to chime in ... :-)

Part of the whole early vs late cover issue for me is that earlier covers tended to bring people TO other artists while later covers tended to be FROM others.

I don't think I'd have listened to Haggard if I hadn't heard Mama Tried. But I'm pretty sure there weren't a lot of heads who suddenly decided to check out the Beatles because of the Dead covers. It was "whoa, they're doing Day Tripper!" not "wait, that isn't their original? Who did it?"

They always had a bit of the Famous Covers, and what the heck, they can do what they want and it's fun at the moment, but it really is tougher to make a Famous Cover your own. And mostly they didn't. Even with the Dylan covers, I always hear Dylan's voice. It's harder work to make a Famous Cover your own IMO, and in the later years, they weren't working very hard at that ... although I guess, ya know, they got a good reason for taking the easy way out ...

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 27, 2014 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:Covers

There is a lot of great music I discovered through the Dead . You point to the lack of originality in their latter choices . I think their latter day blues choices were often not very challenging . All you had to do was dig a little deeper into , say , a Muddy Waters comp., to do a lesser known song, and it still would be great .
I think a good test is, "what would a NON Deadhead think" . Unless they are totally biased against the band, or a super purest, I think most of those earlier covers would at least get the "it's ok" nod . I remember a Head friend of mine telling another music friend of that the Dead were covering "The Lat Time", ...silence and a look that said "LAME" all over it . And my Deadhead friend sheepishly "...well they sort of do it in their own sort of way" . But it was LAME, they just didn't come up with a version that would work . I would be embarrassed to play it for someone else . Just because you like it, doesn't mean you can play it .
Their Dylan covers generally faired better , but "Heaven's Door" , and "Watchtower" , are hardly original choices . I though when they covered slightly less well know Dylan songs for example, "Memphis Blues Again" it worked . I would have been nice if they would have done some later Dylan, I know they talked about it . Jerry covered more 70's Dylan with his band, (big kudos for "Señor"), and it would have been cool if they snagged something form, say "Infidels" or "Oh Mercy" (Kudos for Weir for covering "Most of the Time" ) .
A special mention, always need be made for some of those late Vince(God rest him, poor Vince ) covers . If you cover "Tomorrow Never Knows" you had better bring something to the table . What we get is a bad bar bad version . Hubris . And "Baba O'Reily" , as fine as the song is, is standard AOR fodder . If Jerry had lived would we be treated to "Free-bird", or "Stairway to Heaven" ?...

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: May 26, 2014 12:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STFU for once in your life.

DD,the topic of their cover choices is very complicated due to the varied issues it raises.Which artists are covered,artists not covered,how many times the cover song was played,different era's,genre choice,how many shows and songs the band played over their career,etcetera.

I take issue more with what they didn't do and how repetitive they were with what they chose.How well they performed their choices and who they chose to cover wasn't so much the issue.

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Poster: billydlions Date: May 24, 2014 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Those last 4 'Death Don't Have No Mercy''s .

I have a ticket stub from 10/19/89 and I honestly can't remember attending the show or the significance of the breakout. I do enjoy that show from time to time even though I rarely listen past 1981 these days.

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